very nice articles thank you...

AFAIK the answer to the "Should we raze them and replace with townhouses?" is yes

Very good! Here is my bookmark of this post! http://www.searchallinone.com/Other/Tell_us_what_you_think_about_Atlantic_Yards__BrooklynSpeaks/

Thanks for the info. BTW I've marked it @ http://www.searchallinone.com/Other/Tell_us_what_you_think_about_Atlantic_Yards__BrooklynSpeaks-1/

The constituent members of Brooklyn Speaks should regularly be sending around e-mail notices of the upcoming showings of the insightful and informative documentary “Brooklyn Matters” the next showing of which will be:
Thursday, May 1 at 7:30 pm
at the COBBLE HILL CINEMAS,
265 Court Street (at Butler), Brooklyn
Subway: F, G to Bergen Street
Free Screening: First Come, First Serve

Upcoming showing are also posted at the Brooklyn Matters website http://www.brooklynmatters.com/

Now is the time for Brooklyn Speaks, made up of members including the powerful Brooklyn Heights Association and Municipal Art Society, to shift and adopt effective tactics in fighting Ratner’s Atlantic Yards.- - I am a member of both the Brooklyn Heights Association and Municipal Art Society and value them when they assert their power effectively. - - (Brooklyn Speaks is also made up of some other great organizations: Atlantic Avenue LDC, Boerum Hill Association, Fifth Avenue Committee, National Trust for Historic Preservation, Park Slope Civic Council, Pratt Area Community Council, Project for Public Spaces, Prospect Heights Neighborhood Development Council, and Scenic America, Tri-State Transportation Campaign.)

Brooklyn Speaks has been ineffectively looking for the compromise of a reduced, better designed project. This goal is somewhat vague and makes the mistake of presuming that Ratner is to be left in place. Ratner does not take this negotiating stance seriously and has not reacted to it. The Brooklyn Speaks negotiating stance has also created cover for certain politicians to be far less effective than we should be requiring them to be. It is only recently that DeBlasio has shown signs that he might make essential shifts. (Among other things, it is a problem that DeBlasio does not seem to understand the way in which the project will be an inappropriate drag on the production of low and moderate housing.)

There cannot be effective negotiation with Ratner if the alternatives are between Ratner Alternative A, Ratner Alternative B, Ratner Alternative C and Ratner Alternative D. - In other words ALL RATNER. For one thing he won’t cooperate towards the possibility of making anything work but his greediest take. For another, there is no threat to light a fire under him to be serious because he isn’t faced with a downside for noncooperation. Overarchingly, it is inappropriate to implicitly recognize that Ratner has ever legitimately acquired any rights through a no-bid process rigged through influence.

One thing Brooklyn Speaks should realize is that Ratner has designed his project as a maximum subsidy-suck. It is designed so that it can soak up and take away as much subsidy as possible that should rightfully be going to others. This is the reason for its extraordinary density. The density proposed to be piled onto the Ratner site through zoning overrides and crushingly overbearing density is near to the point of outright illegality. Ratner is looking at that density as a tool or sponge to absorb subsidies which should rightfully be distributed broadly among a larger population and community just as the density should be distributed that way.

Brooklyn Speaks needs to go beyond stating principles. It needs to be setting forth specific definite bottom line requirements that it should pursue in a hard and fast way. In the end, what should be insisted upon will look less like a compromise that has vaguely influenced the project and will look much more like the project has been taken back to the drawing board. The project is so bad and so terrible in multiple ways that nothing less should be insisted upon. There is no reason to back away from any of the following bottom line requirements that Brooklyn Speaks should insist upon in negotiations:

1. Eliminate Megadevelopment’s Inclusion of Ward Bakery Block. - - The megadevelopment should be reduced by subtracting out the gratuitous condemnation (done for eminent domain windfall purposes) of the entire Ward Bakery Building block. (For those unaware the block has nothing to do with the arena.) In his recent political career Governor Paterson has spoken out against eminent domain abuse of the variety that was permitted under the Kelo case that went to the U.S. Supreme Court. This condemnation of the Ward Building block goes much further than Kelo style abuse and is a perfect example of the new New York style developer-initiated, developer-driven eminent domain abuse. The condemnation of this block initiated by Ratner is purely for greedy windfall profit. The block is outside a 40-year-old urban renewal area, creates an irregular boundary and was condemned side-stepping the city’s public review process for condemnations. Saving this block from condemnation will help bring the project back to an appropriate scale, save many worthwhile older buildings sorely needed by the community and allow landmarks to be preserved. It will mean helping avoid government fostered monopolistic Ratner ownership of an entire 30 acres of monoculture land. Lastly it will avoid creation of a detrimental superblock and the undesired closing of Pacific Avenue.

2. Reduce Megadevelopment to More Appropriate Density. - - The project should be reduced to an appropriate density. The density should not be as proposed by Ratner, a density unparalleled in the North American hemisphere and that rivals the most extreme densities in Hong Kong. Ideally, the density should be set through the normal process for setting zoning density that involves community participation. It is to be acknowledged that doubling back to do this properly as the Mayor and his First Deputy Commissioner for Development say should have been done in the first place will perhaps lose time. It may be less time than will be lost with a continued pursuit of the lawsuits but people may resent the time. People may suggest that shortcuts be considered. If shortcuts are considered then, thankfully, there has already been a community process to create an alternative that has involved members of Brooklyn Speaks including the Fifth Avenue Committee, the Council, Pratt Area Community Council, and the Project for Public Spaces. That is the Unity Plan. How dense should the project area be? The Unity Plan gives good guidance from the community perspective on this point and that should be taken into account, if not followed. Alternately, across the street a new development is going up, the Atlantic Terrace project. Atlantic Terrace involves input of all the same city and state agencies that should be participating in setting the density for Atlantic Yards/Vanderbilt Yards. So maybe the answer is that the Atlantic Yards should be the same density as the publicly sponsored Atlantic Terrace across the street. If the feeling was that it needed to be denser, density could be set at 150% which would result in 15 story buildings, 180% which would result in 18 story buildings or maybe 200%.

3. Avoid All Unnecessary Closing of Streets and Avenues. - - The closure of streets and avenues, undesirable from the public’s or a city planning point of view, is being done as a mere pretext for greater, otherwise illegal, density which should not be permitted. In terms of workability, greater density requires more, not fewer streets. The shutting down of streets and avenues is also being used to create a fictional “donation” of open space. The streets and avenue are being gifted by the City which is not receiving appropriate compensation for them.

4. Create Valuable Additional Streets by Extending the Existing Street Grid in Obvious Ways. - - Placing extra density at the site will be a desirable thing, but no where near the density that Ratner has proposed. Extra density can work when there are extra streets and avenues. The opportunity exists to easily create those extra streets by extending the existing street grid in obvious ways. That will also break up the blocks in a way that will naturally allow them to he bid out among multiple bidders.

5. Do Not Permit Ratner to Use the Megadevelopment as an Excuse or Mechanism to Receive No-bid Subsidy. - - Housing subsidies are scarce and need to be appropriately distributed. Ratner’s project with its super density has been designed with the idea that Ratner will soak up, without having to bid or compete for it, a great deal or all of the subsidies that would normally be available to others. That should not be permitted. Ratner should not be permitted to get any housing subsides on a no-bid basis. Accordingly, the prerequisite should be that Ratner will get no housing subsidies at all unless the various blocks and building sites upon which housing will be built are individually put out to bid. There should simply be no no-bid housing subsidies. That will also eliminate much of the below-market land price subsidy which the MTA is proposed to give Ratner and which would be inappropriate. Any bid that Ratner wins in a fairly conducted process will result in housing subsidy being able to flow to Ratner for that block, if available.

6. Location of the Arena at the Site Should Be Scrutinized and the Arena Subsidy Should Be Cut Back to a Reasonable Level Whether or Not it Is Permitted to Remain Located at the Proposed Site. - - Robert Moses was probably right that the general area of site proposed for the arena is inappropriate from a traffic flow and congestion standpoint. The problems identified by Moses are probably accentuated by our modern day security concerns and the fact that the arena is proposed to be at a less appropriate site than the baseball stadium was once proposed to be located. So the arena should almost certainly be moved. In any event, the more than $1 billion in taxpayer subsidies that is proposed to be used to build the arena with no net out-of-pocket contribution from the developer is should not be tolerated. Under any circumstances the subsidy should be drastically reduced. The Moynihan-sponsored law that makes this kind of tax-exempt bond stadium or arena financing illegal should be observed to the letter and spirit. It should also be acknowledged that the subsidy the arena receives, if any, should be lower in amount if the arena remains situated at this high traffic location rather then being moved to a new more appropriate one.

7. The Projects Should Be Subject to Good and Well Thought Through Design Guidelines. - - The project was rushed through with little thought. The timetable that mattered was apparently a timetable dictated by when there was going to be a change of governors in office rather the amount of time to design a good project or to get and factor in appropriate community feedback. Enough time should now be taken to implement good and well thought through design guidelines. The need will be a little less pressing if the overbearing density of the project is reduced to something appropriate but this is nonetheless important.

These are the most basic and essential points that should be insisted upon.

Brooklyn Speaks, the Brooklyn Heights Association, the Municipal Art Society and everyone involved should know they have strength and power enough in this situation to bring about these bottom line good results. Atlantic Yards is very fragile project with many of its approvals not in place, far more than most people appreciate. The project is poorly designed and publicly disfavored. Familiarity with the megadevelopment will breed more public contempt. It does not have financing and anyone thinking of financing or investing in it ought to be quite jittery about lawsuits and possible calamity associated with something so poorly considered. The project is also playing fast and loose with reliance on tax code interpretations that could readily crumble under its foundations.

Also to be remembered, there is a fair amount of work that is required for the public to be able to recover from damage that Ratner has already done. He has acquired swaths of land to which he should not be considered entitled by making eminent domain his tool through threat. He has blighted the area and his demolitions, including historic buildings, need to be recovered from.

Brooklyn Speaks and its members such as Brooklyn Heights Association and Municipal Art Society need to take much more effective action and bring their power to bear. The Municipal Art Society has created many valuable forums where Atlantic Yards has been discussed which means that its extraordinary negatives have been talked about repeatedly at high profile events. But organizations like the Brooklyn Heights Association have not been doing even simple things that are worthwhile and important to do. For instance, the Brooklyn Heights Association should be holding information events, its own forums, and should be sponsoring showings of the documentary film “Brooklyn Matters” three or four times a year. The last showing it sponsored was at St. Francis College on March.22, 2007. Since that time the Brooklyn Heights Association has not even sent out informational e-mails about the showings of the documentary sponsored by others. The Brooklyn Heights Association, the Municipal Art Society and all the constituent members of Brooklyn Speaks should be using their resources to be effective toward their announced shared purpose.

I was listening to preservation historian Anthony C. Wood on the radio the other day. He was explaining that the Brooklyn Heights Association was slow to join the rest of those in the once nascent historic preservation movement but that, once they did, they were powerfully effective. I would like to see the Brooklyn Heights Association be powerfully effective in opposing Atlantic Yards as I know this organization to which I belong can be.

One final note: all of us should also be expecting to withhold support from politicians that are not seriously supporting an effective agenda.

Michael D. D. White

There are huge problems with the Ratner plan--the sheer massive, out-scale size of the development; the lack of input from the local community and no input and oversight from the city council, community boards or the state legislature; the seizing of property through eminent domain; and the tremendous financial cost to the taxpayers--approximately $2 billion. Ratner will not pay taxes into the NYC treasury but will pay Payment in Lieu of taxes; and the city and state will compel taxpayers to support Ratner's profits by giving him at least $555 million in tax-exempt bonds, and close to $2 billion in tax breaks, exemptions, cheap land, and direct subsidies. As you well know, NYC can ill afford to lose this revenue.

A tremendous amount of infrastructure and a huge increase in public services will be needed to support this development. No thought apparently was given to the massive increase in traffic, the 18,000 people swarming into the local neighborhoods to attend the Arena events 250 days of the year, and the 15,000 new residents added to the community.

The magnitude of this development will have a detrimental effect on Brooklyn--economic displacement and the loss of the special diverse, historic character of the surrounding communities. Brooklyn is a special place. After Ratner, it will be no more. Ratner's development plan for the Atlantic Yards is the poster child for rampant, unsustainable development.

Brooklin has a long history and, if they want to change something in that place, the changes should not be dramatical. The buildings or the infrastructure should fit the local architecture, the local specific and, maybe more than everything, the local people who, along the years have built up a local life style.